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Good and fair responses to your critics on both the left and right, Radha! Ancient Problemz made the mistake of thinking you’re still the same person you were years ago. He makes the absurd argument that because DEI doesn’t work, we shouldn’t have efforts at diversity in the workplace at all. He ignores the fact that 1) This is the 21st Century people need to know how to operate in a diverse workplace and to treat others who are different with respect. 2) Race and gender discrimination to an extent still exist and there are still race and gender gaps to be closed in the business world. DEI just isn’t the answer for these problems. As for Jamal X, his argument was clearly made in bad faith and was a one big huge strawman. When did you ever say you don’t acknowledge the heroism of the Civil Rights Movement or were against civil rights protections? DEI has nothing to do with that. The Civil Rights Movement fought for equal opportunity for all Americans and that every man be taken on his own merits. That’s what you are looking for as well. Jamal is making a false equivalence here and making arguments you never made. Your post was totally on-point! People can be tyrannical and abuse their power regardless of their race, sex or sexual orientation. You don’t have to be a straight white man to do that. There are so many examples from history I could bring up as examples of this. This is something DEI doesn’t account for and woke leftists don’t care for. DEI is ahistorical nonsense! One could bring up the horrific war crimes that Pakistan committed against the people of Bangladesh during the 1973 Indo-Pakistan War or the Rwandan Genocide of the 1990s or the slaughter of Palestinians by the Royal Jordanian Army during Black September from 1970-72. How about when the Boxers in China massacred innocent European and American men, women and children during the Boxer Rebellion of 1899-1901? How about the mass expulsion of 20,000 ethnic Italians from Libya by Muhammar Gaddafi in 1970? Just to name a few. I could also point to the rape of German immigrant women by Confederate Guerrillas during the American Civil War or the rape of German women by Asiatic Soviet Soldiers during WWII. The Nazis committed horrific war crimes against the peoples of the USSR and Poland. So on and so forth, I could go on forever.

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I'm sorry you had to put up with this, refuting specifics in debate is much harder than just speaking one's own case, and the opposition almost never cares. Ancient Problemz was a loon and made the Right look contemptible. Among dozens of dizzying failures, the key one was to attack someone who has reformed, or is on the reform path (from his point of view). That's unforgivable, as it means in practice that there's no forgiveness or redemption (I'll leave the linguistic associations to him) and therefore if you're wrong, you must ALWAYS double down, and fight to the death because the Right will never leave you be. If I may say so, that's been a key problem of the Left, and he wishes to mindlessly take their worst habits.

It's inconceivable to me that likewise he doesn't recognize you're moderating your presentation not to trigger everyone when everyone in society is DEI trigger-happy right now. Anyone on the real Right is aware of this because to so much as whisper means you're going to be carpetbombed to oblivion, the way true love and tolerance demands. His implication is that unless you run screaming down the aisles waving your hands, you're not saying anything at all. That's the Purity-spiral again, as the second-worst fault of the Left he wishes to imitate. If you're not to HIS right, you're dead to me. What the literal.

Third, since this is his presentation: to attack everyone on the Left, everyone on the Center, and anyone changing their minds to be more accommodating to his view, he's really a walking billboard to never go near or associate with the Right. He can do more to destroy the Right than the Left ever could. And while this particular article didn't reach those heights, it's a grievous misstep and unforced error no one needs, not the Right, and not what once was normal discourse in the marketplace of ideas. Does the Right allow speech, sir?

This is already too long and I can't take up Jamal as they are normal bad-faith discourse the Left is famous for, lost them decades of elections, and looks to reverse the high tide they achieved, which while I disagree with, they had attained. It's every Nagging Scolding, Guilt, Shame, Remorse, Banishment, that are all the insufferable vices of the Toxic Feminine run wild we have to put up with all the time, and men find so laughable and dismissable: what if I DON'T feel guilt or shame and I really couldn't care less about sitting at the Mean Girls table because you're terrible, mean, ruthless people and we can more happily never think of you again at all? Your punishment is to expel me from a club I never heard of and don't want to be in if you're there.

Update: if you expel EVERYONE ON EARTH from your club, jolly for you, but that means you have no power, no influence, no voice...and no voters. People being accommodating to you out of human decency only goes so far as you don't abuse their excessive and generous good will with disgusting, vile accusations and evil assumptions...which is what this sort of debate really is. "All Brown women are racist" I guess. At that point, we remove the goodwill to you you were leveraging us with -- emotional extortion -- and you're powerless. The only thing you had was the goodwill and human decency I gave you -- and more's the pity, my mistake. But this hyper-feminine vice has been well covered and hides in a blizzard of worthless language that's tiresome to dissect. Cut to the root.

A person was trying to admit honest wrong and establish open, healing discourse. Attacked on all sides.

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